Blog Assignment #2
Ethics and Photgraphy
Nikon Awards A Badly Photoshopped Photo, The Internet Responds
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Mistakes happen even to the best of us – but when your name is Nikon and you have 10 million Facebook fans – you know you’re in trouble. It all started when Nikon announced that they had decided to give a prize to Chay Yu Wei for managing to “catch an airplane in mid-air.” The problem was that there was no plane in the original shot to begin with.
The photo was so badly edited that you could see it on any larger screen (well, at least we saw it). Not to mention that Nikon should have checked it with “curves” or “levels” in Photoshop. When it seemed that the things couldn’t get worse, someone posted the answer from the photographer himself. To a question “How long did you wait for that plane?” he replied: “Not too long! I was lucky! Thank you so much!”
The Internet didn’t take long to respond…
Nikon awarded a prize to Chay Yu Wei for managing to “catch an airplane in mid-air”
However, “just by changing the levels you can immediately see it is photoshopped”
Image credits: Shaun Ho
In
your second blog assignment you will be asked your opinion on the ethical aspects of art/photography. After reading the material above, please provide one paragraph (at least 5
sentences) for each of your answers.
1) What is your opinion on this matter? Does it even matter that the photograph was created using two separate images in Photoshop?
Give reasons to support your opinion.
2) Should an artistic, but "Photoshopped" photo hold the same stature in the artworld as a photo shot traditionally of a found or posed opportunity?
Give reasons to support your opinion.
Give reasons to support your opinion.
ReplyDelete1)In my opinion, the picture is not qualified to be in the competition. The competition was to take an artistic photo with a Nikon camera. Of course, we know that the unediited picture of the ladder was taken with a Nikon but what about the plane that was photoshopped into it? We have no idea what kind of camera the plane was captured with, therefore making it unqualified for the competition. Im sure there were equally as good photos that were entered into the competition that were actually taken with a Nikon camera.
2)Whether a photo is edited or not, it just depends on the artistic quality of the photo. The picture of the plane was unqualified for the competition but just as a picture, it looks great. People don’t value found oppurtunities any less than posed pictures. Pictures that involve photoshop take a different set of skills than pictures that don’t, and sometimes it takes even more skill to edit a photo in photoshop so there is no reason that they should be valued any less than any other pictures. Unless of course there is circumstances that say photoshop can not be used.
Allison Fried
1. I believe that it is very unethical to create a photo in the way that Chay Yu Wei did. While anyone can create an interesting image by grafting two photographs together, good photography can only be achieved through honesty, skill, and finding the right opportunities to take pictures. This image would have been much better if the photographer had waited for a naturally occurring focal point. On top of this, the final image that was created was of poor quality, because a white square can be seen quite obviously surrounding the plane. Overall, it is unethical to create visually interesting images using photoshop in this way, and the photographer would have received much more praise if he had used good photography techniques instead of “cheating” by pasting images together.
ReplyDelete2. I believe that artistic but heavily photoshopped photos such as Chay Yu Wei's should not hold as much status in the art world as non photoshopped or lightly-edited photos for several reasons. Foremostly, pictures that are extremely photoshopped are made by dishonest photographers who do not want to take the time to find a naturally interesting focal point. Also, part of what makes good photos is the fact that they sometimes depict things that are unusual or hard to find. When it is discovered that photos have been edited to become more interesting, such as Chay Yu Wei’s photo, they are no longer seen as good images because all of the excitement of capturing a rare and unique moment is gone. Lastly, photos that are over-edited using photoshop tarnish the credibility and reputation of their photographer, because people will see them as dishonest and lacking in skill. For all of these reasons I believe that artistic but photoshopped photos should not hold as much status as photos of posed or found objects.
-Mark Bodik
1. I believe that this picture is not comparable to other photos submitted for the competition. Since it was photoshopped it means the focal point is not naturally occurring, thus lacking compared to other natural ones. I think that pictures like this can still be respected, but should not be held to the same level as real photographs. I do not believe t hat it is right for this picture to have won the competition.
ReplyDelete2. I think if a picture is highly tampered with in photoshop, what needs to be appreciated is the imagination used to create the photo. This is because the picture was constructed by the person using their mind. However, naturally occurring photos that have not been heavily altered definitely should be respected more than photos that have been manipulated.I believe that editing like this is an impressive skill at times, however clean photography should be respected more. This ties into Chay Yu Wei's picture, he should not have wo the competition.
-Matt Broadbent
1) Yu Wei’s use of photographic manipulation to create the image he submitted to Nikon matters gravely. By doctoring the photo, he gave himself an unfair advantage over his competitors (assuming that the other entries were legitimate photographs). The competition was not designed to judge photoshopping skills; rather, it was designed to judge skills in taking traditional photographs . A photoshopped image will be inherently better than a traditional, “found” image, due to the fact that found images will have some imperfections that could be removed through the help of image altering software. Since photoshopped images are superior to their unaltered counterparts, they would naturally receive an unfair advantage in a competition alongside unedited photographs.
ReplyDeleteYu Wei compounded his treacherous act by lying to the public about the nature of his photograph. He had previously claimed that it was legitimately shot, although this later turned out to be untrue. His dishonesty, in addition to a blatant disregard for the rules and standards of the Nikon competition, make this a grave matter.
2) An artistic yet photoshopped image should hold the same stature in the art world as much as a traditionally photographed image, but it fundamentally will not be appreciated as much as a found or posed image. There is no reason for photographic manipulation to reduce the artistic value of a photograph; in fact, taking advantage of photo editing software might even create a superior piece of art from what could have been a mediocre one. Found or posed images intrinsically contain imperfections, and the better the image the less imperfections it has. However, altering the photograph using photoshopping programs can remove its imperfections, and produces a work of art that can be more highly appreciated. Assuming that the photographer will also be honest about his or her use of Photoshop, their image should hold a similar stature in the art world to found or posed photographs.
For the sake of appreciating a photographer’s skill (and not the photo they took), altered and unaltered pictures should be classified separately. They can be enjoyed and admired similarly; but in order for the efforts of the photographer to be recognized, an unedited photo should be called as such while an edited photo should be called as such as well. Fundamentally, people will respect a photographer more for taking an artistic yet unedited image than they will a photographer who took an image of the same quality, but with alterations.
-Sahil Sangwan
1) I believe that it is extremely unethical to create a photo by using two images in the way Chay Yu Wei did and that it does matter because it has a significant impact on the art community. This is because a photo is supposed to capture a moment or tell a story. By using photoshop to make a compound image you are not capturing a moment or story but merely imitating what could be. Furthermore a photo taken this way does not reflect the photographer’s true ability as they were not actually able to find or recreate the desired scene or setting. In addition to the fact that using photoshop to create an image in the way the Yu Wei did is dishonest and doesn't tell a story, perhaps the most blaring issue with the photo is the lack of quality. If viewed closely, one can clearly see that the plane is surrounded by a white box that is a distinctly different color from the surrounding sky.
ReplyDelete2) An artistic but photoshopped photo should not be valued in the same way as a photo taken in the traditional way. This is because a photoshopped photo is less honest than a photo taken in the traditional way. In most cases when a photo is photoshopped instead of being taken without the aid of a computer program, it is because the photographer did not have the time or did not want to work as hard to capture the same photo using only a camera. Furthermore, if the same photo can be created without photoshop or another photo editing software, it degrades the edited photo and the photographer. In general, photos created without the aid of a computer are better able to capture a certain moment and time and are more honest. For these reasons, photos taken in the traditional way should hold a much higher value in the art community.
-Gregory Bodik
1) I believe it is extremely relevant whether or not the photo was doctored or not. The competition encourages strong, meaningful, photos. I believe that, by alteration of the photo, you are removing the core essence of the contest. This photo does not reflect the photographers ability, though perhaps their imagination. It does not capture a moment or tell a story like many strong photographs must. Thus, I believe this is highly unethical and should not have been selected.
ReplyDelete2) Furthermore, I believe doctored images should not hold the same respect as true photographs in the art community. Though alteration can be a wonderful thing, it must be used responsibly. If used incorrectly, it could completely change the meaning or destroy the meaning of a photograph or moment. By altering photos, you are removing this meaning. Though, admittedly, imagination is required to create photos such as this, it does not require the same photographic skill set as true photography and; thus, should not be considered with true photographs.
1) My opinion about this photograph is that it is unethical to award a photograph that has been digitally modified to look better, over a true “found opportunity” photograph. I think that a renowned company like Nikon should have looked more carefully at this photograph before awarding it an international prize. If the competition was about who could take the best photo using only a Nikon camera, then there should be no Photoshop editing involved. By poorly editing the original picture, this creates an unfair advantage to the submitter over everyone else. Chay Yu Wei should not have won based on the fact that he used Photoshop on a photo to make a “false focal point” rather than finding a naturally occurring one. In addition, he also lied when asked about the way he captured the photo, saying that he didn’t wait for the plane for very long. This is unethical for the reason that it can be considered pure cheating.
ReplyDelete2) I think that a “Photoshopped” photo should not hold the same value and appreciation as a traditional found or posed opportunity because the two are very different. Both of these options do require artistic ability but in a different sense. Editing a photo requires one to be familiar with and have an eye for value changes and what lightness/darkness would look best in a photo. With that said, I think that a traditionally taken photo should hold more stature because it requires more photography skills one the photographer’s part in finding a focal point, balance, and creating unity. Any photo can be turned into a beautiful one through Photoshop, but not everyone has the eye to take a photo at just the right time and capture a spontaneous moment of life.
1) My opinion about this photograph is that it is unethical to award a photograph that has been digitally modified to look better, over a true “found opportunity” photograph. I think that a renowned company like Nikon should have looked more carefully at this photograph before awarding it an international prize. If the competition was about who could take the best photo using only a Nikon camera, then there should be no Photoshop editing involved. By poorly editing the original picture, this creates an unfair advantage to the submitter over everyone else. Chay Yu Wei should not have won based on the fact that he used Photoshop on a photo to make a “false focal point” rather than finding a naturally occurring one. In addition, he also lied when asked about the way he captured the photo, saying that he didn’t wait for the plane for very long. This is unethical for the reason that it can be considered pure cheating.
ReplyDelete2) I think that a “Photoshopped” photo should not hold the same value and appreciation as a traditional found or posed opportunity because the two are very different. Both of these options do require artistic ability but in a different sense. Editing a photo requires one to be familiar with and have an eye for value changes and what lightness/darkness would look best in a photo. With that said, I think that a traditionally taken photo should hold more stature because it requires more photography skills one the photographer’s part in finding a focal point, balance, and creating unity. Any photo can be turned into a beautiful one through Photoshop, but not everyone has the eye to take a photo at just the right time and capture a spontaneous moment of life.
-Komal Grewal
My opinion is that the photographer shouldn’t have won the award. The photo looks extraordinary but it’s not. The photoshop used to make this picture was basic. The picture before the photoshop was not impressive. With just looking at the picture you can see the square where the airplane was photoshopped in.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think a photoshopped photo should hold the same stature in the artworld as a photo shot traditionally. Taking a good quality picture is hard and requires talent. Photoshop can be used to make it seem like you have talent in photography when you don’t.
Callan
1) For this circumstance, it does matter that the photograph was created using two separate images in Photoshop. First of all, this photo was entered in a competition, and the person who entered it did not say that it was photoshopped. Second, it is not photoshopped well, and you can clearly tell it's photoshopped. Also, the image of the plane does not look like a real picture of a plane, but a silhouette of one, like someone could find by making a quick search on Google. Finally, the picture would have been fine if it was just left alone and not edited.
ReplyDelete2) A photoshopped picture having the same value in the art world as a traditional photo really depends on the circumstances. A photoshopped picture can be artistic if it is photoshopped well and it is known that it is photoshopped. If it is not, like the ladder and the plane photo, it should not. If a photoshopped picture is entered in a competition which doesn't allow that, then it shouldn't be held to the same value. As long as the original picture is good, and the fact that it is altered well is known, then it should be held to the same value.
-Charlotte O'Dell
My opinion on this matter is that Nikon should have clarified if photo shopping was okay to enhance the photo. But I think for this contest, the photos should have been original and not edited. The contest was testing their ability to take a great photo, with natural occurrences. Not take a good photo and edit it to a great photo. Some instances, I believe photo shopping a photo to make it better is acceptable but for this contest in particular, I think the photos should have been unedited and natural. But that fact it was two separate photos, almost changes things. But. Even if the two photos were amazing, it should have been a single shot.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don’t think photo shopped and natural photos should hold the same statures. But photo shopping photos should still be something that would get into museums. It’s like coloring in a good black and white photo. Something’s just need enhancement. And sometimes it’s the preference someone has against a photo. I believe photo shopped and natural photos can be just as good as each other but shouldn’t be held at the same stature.
Hallie Wastiewiz - Period 9
think that it doesn’t matter if the photo was edited or not because it still shows artistic ability and creativity. I think an artistic but photoshopped photo should hold the same stature as a found or posed opportunity because if the photo is posed then technically it is just as much tweaked as a photoshopped photo. - Natasha
ReplyDelete1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
-Lucia Buscemi
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1) I believe it is extremely relevant whether or not the photo was doctored or not. The competition encourages strong, meaningful, photos. I believe that, by alteration of the photo, you are removing the core essence of the contest. This photo does not reflect the photographers ability, though perhaps their imagination. It does not capture a moment or tell a story like many strong photographs must. Thus, I believe this is highly unethical and should not have been selected.
ReplyDelete2) Furthermore, I believe doctored images should not hold the same respect as true photographs in the art community. Though alteration can be a wonderful thing, it must be used responsibly. If used incorrectly, it could completely change the meaning or destroy the meaning of a photograph or moment. By altering photos, you are removing this meaning. Though, admittedly, imagination is required to create photos such as this, it does not require the same photographic skill set as true photography and; thus, should not be considered with true photographs.
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1) I believe it is extremely relevant whether or not the photo was doctored or not. The competition encourages strong, meaningful, photos. I believe that, by alteration of the photo, you are removing the core essence of the contest. This photo does not reflect the photographers ability, though perhaps their imagination. It does not capture a moment or tell a story like many strong photographs must. Thus, I believe this is highly unethical and should not have been selected.
ReplyDelete2) Furthermore, I believe doctored images should not hold the same respect as true photographs in the art community. Though alteration can be a wonderful thing, it must be used responsibly. If used incorrectly, it could completely change the meaning or destroy the meaning of a photograph or moment. By altering photos, you are removing this meaning. Though, admittedly, imagination is required to create photos such as this, it does not require the same photographic skill set as true photography and; thus, should not be considered with true photographs.
Matthew Delaney
1. The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without words. In our society, it is seen as unethical to photoshop a picture, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It completely matters that this picture was created with two layers in photoshop. Plenty of photographs that people use as decorations in their houses are photoshopped to improve the quality and aesthetic appeal of the picture. However, in the case of a competition, this picture should not be awarded first prize because it was photoshopped. First prize should go to a found opportunity, that demonstrates real artistic talent.
ReplyDelete2. A photoshopped, though artistic, photograph should not hold the same value as a "found picture". A good photographer sees certain moments as opportunities to tell a story. It takes planning and skills to get the perfect photo. However, photoshopping something onto a picture is just plain cheating. It is also even more unethical that the photographer lied and said that he did not wait "too long" for the plane to come by.
1)In my opinion, the picture is not qualified to be in the competition. The competition was to take an artistic photo with a Nikon camera. Of course, we know that the unedited picture of the ladder was taken with a Nikon but what about the plane that was photo shopped into it? We have no idea what kind of camera the plane was captured with, therefore making it unqualified for the competition. I'm sure there were equally as good photos that were entered into the competition that were actually taken with a Nikon camera.
ReplyDelete2)Whether a photo is edited or not, it just depends on the artistic quality of the photo. The picture of the plane was unqualified for the competition but just as a picture, it looks great. People don’t value found opportunities any less than posed pictures. Pictures that involve photo shop take a different set of skills than pictures that don’t, and sometimes it takes even more skill to edit a photo in photo shop so there is no reason that they should be valued any less than any other pictures. Unless of course there is circumstances that say photo shop can not be used.
-Ryan Licari
1. I think that the purpose of a good picture is to capture a memory. By photo shopping a plane into this photo, is faking a memory. it is basically cheating on a test. you are then lying to lots of people. first place couldn't go to a fake photo. or a cheated photo.
ReplyDelete2. a photoshopped photo should not hold the same value as a found opportunity photo. a photo shopped photo is cheated. it is not a real memory. people look at photos to remember memorys and see what people do. this person is lying to everyone and is not using their photographer skills to the best of their ability.
Nicole dangelo
I think a masterful yet photoshopped photograph should hold the same stature as a found or postured opportunity because the photograph is postured then in fact it is the same amount of changed as a photoshopped photograph. But my feeling on this matter is that Nikon should have cleared up if photo shopping was alright to improve the photograph. -Meghan Licari
ReplyDelete1- The purpose of a good photo is to tell a story without using words. It is also to show something that is captured in real time. I feel as though it does matter that this was done using two pictures. I feel this because the rarity and astonishment of a picture taken in real time can effect the quality of a picture. Many people appreciate a picture that may have been hard to take and uses much patience waiting for this picture to come into view.
ReplyDelete2- An image that is done in Photoshop does require lots of creativity. Even with this in mind it does not show the same artistic talent as a picture that is taken in real time. When a picture is taken in real time it shows the skill of the photographer. It also shows the ability to take a picture in real time which is taken without being blurry. The photographer must be patient and this also shows good photography.
-Jake Gazura
1. I believe that the photo that this photographer that published this photo should disqualified from this competition, and all further competitions at Nikon, because he was dishonest and tricked the many viewers of the competition. It completely and truly matters that the photo was photo shopped, because it gave him a higher advantage over the rest of the photographers that spent time to find the perfect photo.
ReplyDelete2. I believe that taking a photo has more effort put into it and more value over one that was photoshopped. People wait for hours and hours to find the perfect photo. Where as on photoshop it is easier to create the perfect photo. People spend thousands of dollars for these photos, and they shouldnt be cheated by photoshop.
-Amelia
1. The purpose of a good photo is when it is a found moment. When you photo shop a picture, it is seen as bad and as not as artistic. It really does matter that this photographer photo shopped his picture. I'm sure that most of the photos submitted in this contest were 100% authentic and they demonstrate a good photographer. The fact that he did this is disgraceful.
ReplyDelete2. A photo shopped yet artistic photo should not hold nearly the same value of a 100% authentic photo. An authentic photo shows a good photographer and when you are an opportunist, you will shoot very good photos. When you photo shop a picture to this degree, then it shows that you maybe aren't really a great photographer. The fact that this guy did this in a competitive contest doesn't cope well with him.
-Marcus Velez
1. Yes it does matter that this was made in Photoshop because there are people who actually had great found opportunities in their photos that were not photoshopped who lost to this guy so I think it matters because he essentially cheated in order to win.
ReplyDelete2. No, an artistic but photoshopped photo should not have had the same artistic value as one that is authentic. A picture thy is photoshopped is a photo that is not real. It does not hold the same value as one with an actual found opportunity.
- Jake Cassidy
1)I believe that a photo should be naturally taken. This photo shouldn't be competed with, because it isn't just one photo. Anybody can edit, but not everybody can take a photo in the perfect moment. A photographer shouldn't be noticed if they didn't take just one amazing photo, they should be noticed as being a great photo editor. This dishonesty from the photographer, and Nikon, leads to my reason of being.
ReplyDelete2)A photo shopped photo, even if artistic, should not be held with the same value of a traditional photo. By taking a completely natural photo, it shows your skill in photography. If you combine two photos together, it is showing skills in editing, not taking a great photo. This editing incident shows how the photographer couldn't take a photo, so he made it better by editing. This shouldn't ever be held with the same stature as a traditional photo, it shows how he is a cheater.
-Caitlin Lynch
1.The purpose of a good photo is to capture a special moment/memory. Photos, in my opinion, should be a found opportunities that captures a special moment or a memorable moment in ones life. I believe that the photograph that was photoshopped is not the same as a singular found moment.
ReplyDelete2. In my opinion, this artistic yet photoshopped photo does not hold the same stature as a traditional photo because this photographer blended two found moments together creating a non-realistic image. This photographer put this photo in a competition with photos that were found moments which isn't as fair in this competition since it was made Photoshop. By doing this, it does not rub off on the photographer since it wasn't a realistic moment.
-Lili Ayer